-: Okay, so this is the, this is just,
I'm not gonna read through all this stuff.
You guys can have this and the directions down here,
the identity stress tests,
just so you guys can see how long it is
and about what it is.
I don't even know if you guys
can read that very well on your screen,
but essentially, you get the sheet
and it's got sections A through E,
and they're gonna fill these out
and then you score those relative sections.
And then at the end, then you kind of put that in this key,
it's got a lifestyle and health status thing.
This is just kind of like, pre-recs,
it asks about things like, basic nutrition,
do I smoke or whatever,
you could put those questions that I came up with
for like general stuff as a replacement for this
if you want it to kind of make your own.
But one of the things that you can do from this
is just looking at these questions
and understanding that A is the wired type
and B is the worried type and C is a more
and here they call it like cortisol or adrenal stress
but really it's just like metabolically dysregulated.
D is the psychologically tired.
E is the physically tired.
Like you can look at these questions
and you can kind of actually learn a little bit from that
'cause then like you can essentially be doing
a mental version of this assessment
when you just talk to your clients
or you do your check-ins or whatnot
because you can see them trending towards
these types of things.
So, you can use this questionnaire as is
or you can look at it to get an idea of like, oh,
what are some things that kind of correlate
like symptom-wise to being more psychologically stressed
than physically stressed,
or more wired than worried or whatever.
And that can give you an idea of maybe like, okay,
how is a person being pushed.
Like, what do I need to back off in training?
What do I need to support nutritionally?
Those types of things.
Like are things getting out of hand,
but you can also do this,
you run it through a scoring system, and then you basically
so there's an answer key portion of this
that you get to have.
And so what that does is then you take those scores,
it gives you a little formula here,
you put that through and it says like, okay,
these are the directions that you would go through
and determining whether or not you are, oh, an HPA axis,
overdrive or underdrive,
whether or not it's like in their sense
of what they're calling adrenal stress
which I'm gonna say better illustrated
as more metabolic dysregulation is part of that.
And then they actually go through like, okay,
then what would I go through in terms of my interventions?
This is Metagenics.
They have their specific supplementations here.
I do, like Serenagen is a supplement that I absolutely love
especially for people in that wired type,
the more anxious type, anxiety type, racing mind at night.
I love that product.
It's basically all herbs and adaptogens,
and then the rest of 'em, like you can look and see see
what they have in there.
I mean, of all of the ones that I've used,
the in terms of the actual Metagenics product line,
I really liked the Serenagen,
I found that to be very help for the goal.
The Tran-Q, the worried one.
I mean, I don't know. I mean, knowing the worry thing,
I mean, really, honestly,
I haven't a lot of people score high on that one.
So, I would be falsely saying how much success I did
or did not have with that back in the day.
But I think from that perspective,
you can look at the ingredients there,
but understanding if somebody is got worried,
is in the worried section,
I would focus more on the psychological stuff
than the depending on the Tran-Q and that essence.
But I think when somebody's anxious,
calming them down may be needed for them to actually go
through the, like, the psychological resolution
of whatever's causing them to be anxious.
And then when we look at the bottom one,
the exhilarating which is basically a thing that's like,
it's increases energy.
So that's in there for,
and then the Adreset
which is more of kind of like an adrenal support.
So exhilarating is more of like a stimulant
whereas Adreset is more of like a,
we'll say like an adrenal supplement if you will,
but we'll say a better yet more of a
metabolic support type supplement, right.
So you're gonna see some things in there
that would be typically associated
with a product for metabolic stress as well.
But anyway, this just kind of takes you down that path
and gives you a little key there.
So you guys can kind of see that.
And then I'll also show you here the,
just so you guys can get an idea of the size,
the Braverman test, right?
Here's page one, page two, page three, page four,
page five, page six, page seven.
You guys get any idea?
Page eight, page nine, okay.
So eight pages and a little bit.
And then this gives you
the deficiency numbers for that, okay.
As the deficiency part of the test.
So yeah.
This first half here,
I think this is page four, I think, right.
That gives you the
so the first half is the character part.
The second half is the imbalances or deficiencies.
So, it's a hefty questionnaire.
So probably not something that you just wanna blank at,
like yeah, well, everybody has gotta take this test.
The Jordan Peterson test
significantly, significantly shorter.
Basically there's a lot of redundant questions
in these personality tests,
they ask like the same thing, like 15 different ways
and that one's all like true, false based, et cetera.
So, while I found it useful back in the day,
it's a lot of paperwork.
So, I don't like to use bigger ammunition
than what the target requires, right.
Otherwise you just blow it up for no reason.
So what I would say is like if you're gonna go that route
like that would be kind of like, okay,
having trouble with the simple questions
and just kind of figuring out where to go here.
Maybe we've been trying things for sleep and it's,
we can't quite figure out what we need or whatever,
maybe that would provide some more context
and clarity in terms of what you can do for interventions,
having that extra data.
And then it would be worth it.
So, okay.
Curtis, red light therapy
and its effects on stress dosages possibility too much.
So well, one thing I would say, Curtis is
well, red light therapy.
Like there's plenty of research on that for positive effects
is that it is not a replacement for natural light
especially when we're talking about stress and serotonin
and sad, effective, seasonal effective disorder,
depression, things like that.
So natural light is gonna be more of an antidepressant
than red light.
Red light is more, has more of a restorative quality
because of its impact on mitochondrial health.
And it's kind of the thing
that I would say red light is more of a push into recovery.
Where as natural light tends to be more,
we'll say revitalizing to the soul and the mind if you will.
So you can look at red light is more of a
physiological therapy and natural light
is more of a psychological therapy.
If you wanted to like put those into generalized context.
Job asks, what confuses me is that some researcher says
that cortisol not increased directly
by chronic psychological stress like mental, emotional
only with a small population.
I mean, this is why understanding
how somebody deals with stress is very important
'cause for one person it may be a lot
and another person may be a little.
So you have to in of one that's the,
in of one this stuff as well, because the,
I mean, the thing is is that cortisol
is a part of the equation, right?
But and in that little weed that I did,
that's from the functional medicine stuff
that I used to treat cortisol itself.
Like we'll put this way,
don't over-focus on cortisol itself,
focus on the net outcome of that psychological stress
'cause if it doesn't matter if it disrupts insulin
from a neurotransmitter mechanism versus a sleep mechanism
versus a cortisol mechanism,
it doesn't matter how it does it.
All that matters is that it does it.
And what can you do to either reduce that
or create resiliency from it?
How do you do deal with supplemental independence
for dealing with sleep and stress?
That can be a tough one for some people
'cause they don't wanna give things up or whatever,
that, so the best, this is one of those cases
where the best thing is to never,
never get to that position.
One thing that you could try and do
is start introducing variability
and to somebody's supplementation
and then try and slowly educate them on the fact that like,
what you wanna do is present that
what you're doing should be having a corrective effect.
And so the goal is to eliminate that thing or reduce it
to like maintenance level dosages, et cetera.
And then you can,
then hopefully you can either lower the dose,
remove it or make it one of those things where
they only need it during certain stressful situations.
Long term effects of adaptogens.
I mean, which one.
How long-term, whatever.
I mean, adaptogens should be rotated,
I think, 'cause basically adaptogens are trying to
manipulate physiology and I don't think that like
so if you do that constantly
when it's gonna lose its effect and to that means
you weren't doing anything corrective with it.
Yes, the NutriDyn, the NutriDyn I meant Jack
is it used to be very tightly correlated.
So I don't know for sure if it,
the guys at NutriDyn that made that assessment
or the guys of Metagenics or whatever,
but they were essentially one on the same back in the day
when I got those.
Cordyceps, once I found in stress balance
essential from NutriDyn.
Is that a question on there?
Not sure.
Natalie ask, how do you feel about working out
as a way to help relieve psychological stress?
So, here's is the thing.
You, it's fine to exercise as mental medicine
as long as it doesn't become a physiological stress
especially one that's greater
than what the psychological stress was before.
And as long as you don't start seeing exercise
as the only solution or the cure
so that like you get into this,
like you could look at exercise just like a pill of like,
oh, if I'm stressed, I have to go to the gym.
And if I can't get to the gym and I can't do my thing,
that bad things are gonna happen.
So really it's just about maintaining a healthy perspective
about using exercise.
But physical activity is a great way to relieve stress
as long as it's done in a way
like a stimulus and a dose that's appropriate
so that you get a positive physiological outcome from it,
that you're not compounding
an extra negative outcome on it, right?
So this is one of those things where when wielded correctly,
it can be corrective in terms of the psychological stress.
But when wielded incorrectly,
it could increase long-term psychological stress
because cortisol going up during physical activity
is not bad.
Like go back to course two, you need that to happen.
Cortisol in the absence of physical activity,
that's what's not ideal, right?
'Cause we like mobile.
I mean, 'cause that's the thing, right?
Is we didn't evolve with all of the little
psychological micro stresses that we have now.
And so that's the whole, why don't,
what's that book on the, with zebra thing,
like white don't zebra get fatter.
I can't remember what it's called,
but basically the whole premises is that,
like the fight or flight response, right.
That was like basically stressed usually always involved
a physical component back in our primitive state.
Whereas now it doesn't.
So, we essentially have the wrong physiological response
to psychological stress now.
And that's why adding a physical component
can be so beneficial 'cause it helps kind of resolve
kind of helps resolve that or close that loop of like,
getting rid of that mobilized energy
and like getting us back to like then
the other side of the equation.
But you just have to make sure that you don't,
like you don't use it as a, you don't pigeonhole yourself
to the point where you would say like
well, now the only way I could deal with anything stressful
is to go in and do some deadlifts.
Val says, personal experience with serenagen,
it helps me wean myself off.
So, I left last year and I've been taking Zoloft
for almost seven years.
That's awesome.
It definitely like, herbals tend to be more mild and allow,
we'll say more natural recovery to occur sometimes
than drugs do.
But I mean, really with that stuff,
it just depends on using it appropriately.
So using, so it's like maybe,
you needed the Zoloft to get to the place
where you could use the Serenagen
to then get to the place where maybe
you don't need anything.
I don't know.
Zachary ask, as someone who has,
who uses an SSRI and hoping to reduce my dosage,
are there supplements that I could or should use
during that process to reduce my dose
obviously, under the consultation of my doctor?
I mean, the big thing is, exactly what I said,
build resiliency everywhere that you can,
from a lifestyle perspective,
from a physiological perspective,
when it comes to direct supplements
and we're looking at serotonin production like
you wanna make, I mean, basically,
I wouldn't try this experiment on kido,
I would make sure it's,
when I can have carbohydrates, I got adequate B vitamins
and minerals and whatnot,
depending on whether or not your issue is pure serotonin
or dopamine would depend on whether or not,
you can use things like 5-HTP or tyrasine,
or L-DOPA or like any of those things
that can kind of go in there.
And so really it needs to be in a one approach
based off of your chemistry.
And this is where then maybe doing
the personality assessment, the Braverman test or whatnot
might give you some more insights,
know that being on the SSRI may affect the test
both the character portion and the deficiency portion there.
So as you wean off,
you may decide to retake those.
Two red light, too many minutes would be stress too.
If so, how would you know, I mean, I think in,
and I'm not a red light expert by any means,
but one of the things that haven't been able to find out
is like, what is the information on too much?
I mean, basically we know I mean,
too much of anything is bad.
Like too much water is bad, too much vitamin C is bad.
Doesn't matter if it's a good or a bad thing too much,
the dose can matter
but I don't know for sure.
I mean, so I mean the general guidelines,
it depends on whether or not
you're also getting natural light,
like how much red light,
like, are you using like a little tiny lamp thing?
Are you using like one of the full body things?
Is it one panel?
Is it three panels?
Is it doing both sides?
Like, so, I think, and we'll say an every other day approach
for at least the same body region is advised
and no more than 30 minutes is advised.
And if you're doing it frequently,
probably no more than 20, 10 to 20 minutes is advised.
But I honestly that mean I'm just gonna claim
I don't know for sure on that.
We'll say maybe slightly under red
on knowing the exact of those extremes.
Job asks, so chronic emotional stress leads
not directly to cortisol seesaw,
but other indirect by sleep, for example.
I mean, chronic emotional stress can lead to all sorts of
'cause I mean, chronic emotional stress could have led
to increased cortisol at one time.
And then over the course of time,
it dropped down like your cortisol response to stress
can change over time during chronic stress.
A lot of things in your physiology can change
from chronic stress over time.
And so the answer is yes
but also doesn't mean that is the case either.
Basically go back to the very beginning, right?
Is stress can affect almost every system.
And it can switch between with just some
depending on other compounding stresses that you have,
the nutrients that you're taking
and interventions that you're doing or whatnot,
think of the traffic examples.
Like are you just closing off one way
and opening up another way and
just kind of working its way around your body,
when you don't resolve the issue
that tends to be what happens
is you're just bouncing around your physiology,
wreaking havoc in essentially the most vulnerable
or fragile areas.
Okay, Curtis asked the questions
what are the long term effects of Cordyceps?
I mean, it's probably more of a Dustin question
than it is for me,
in terms of what the effects of long-term use.
I mean, I think if you cycle it, then there's,
shouldn't be an adverse long-term use
but at the same time, out of one just like,
we don't use any cues that aren't needed,
same thing for supplements.
So I don't like throwing out adaptogens in there
for no reason of just the sake of like, oh yeah,
we'll just use adaptogens
because they're just,
they help you adapt and make you more resilient.
I'm like, yeah,
but I don't know necessarily that needs to be the case
or that I like to use them to proactively like that.
I used to be more in that mindset.
And then I think,
I just kind of realized that I was just placeboing that
if it was having any effect at all
'cause I used to do like the whole mushroom coffee thing
and I would put like a Cordyceps and ashwagandha
in my coffee every morning
and then I stopped doing it and guess what?
And like nothing was different.
So, I mean, I think in reality,
those things are better used acutely
in very effective dosages
rather than being used long-term, right.
So, and I don't think that when in terms of adrenal support,
long-term, I don't think adaptogens are the solution.
I think improving metabolic efficiency is the solution
in metabolic health
and then dealing with any psychological unresolved issues
that would negatively would be impacting that.
Guys are testing my limits today.
I am not a psychologist or a psychiatrist
or a mushroom expert.
Stimuli would be best for a person who has a lot of stress.
One that they are, one that is trainable.
That would be it, because that's,
all that needs to take place is that,
they have the ability to recover from that stress of the,
so that basically what you don't wanna do is add,
if you train an untrainable stimulus,
you get an excess of stress.
When you train a trainable stimulus
with the appropriate amount of volume,
that stress results into a positive adaptation
which makes us more resilient to future stress.
So it just comes down
to following your rules of trainability.
There's not like, oh, if you're stressed,
then you know do BK or do neuro or whatever.
It's just follow the rules of trainability
and then deal with the stress.
And in whatever words.
Now, we obviously you can look at
how they're dealing with that stress
and maybe get an idea how it's impacting their trainability
because if it's affecting their sleep,
well, then there may be like, okay,
well, then we probably don't wanna put somebody
in a bigger protocol.
If we know that it's affecting their sleep stuff
and if it's affecting their neuro transfers more than
maybe I wouldn't do a lot of stuff to failure,
really high intensity work.
Would neuro-transmitter or adaptogens supplements
could interfere with depression medication
or they give a boost.
Yeah.
Pretty much.
I mean, even high dose B vitamins,
even high dose amino acids, like tyrasine or 5-HTP
or whatnot, those things can all interfere
with drug interactions, adaptogens as well.
But I would say probably adaptogens is not as much
as like specific nutrients that affect
one particular part of the pathway.
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