-: So now let's talk about doing some stuff.
So first try the basics.
Do no harm.
Simple nutrition and training strategies go a long way.
Most of the respiratory drills
that you see on Instagram,
or, you know, in XYZ three little course,
they don't actually perform any better
than walking and nasal breathing.
Like you just like, well
I just walk and breathe through my nose.
A lot of those exercises will outperform
all these like little like reaching
and like thinking about 18 different cues
and like trying to breathe.
And yeah, a lot of that stuff is garbage
because in terms of the trunk muscles,
that's not a big enough stimulus.
That'd be like, oh, I'm trying to get my biceps better.
So what I do is I just like, I hold it out here
and then I squeeze my fist and then rotate
and I breathe through this nostril.
That wouldn't be the way
that you would improve the function of your bicep.
It's not gonna be the way
that you're gonna improve the function of your obliques,
of your diaphragm, of your rectus, of your erectors,
of your lats, of your posterior serratus.
No, you know how you're gonna improve those things?
You're gonna take them through frickin range of motion.
That's what you're gonna do.
And then all of a sudden your brain is gonna be like
oh yeah, it goes all the way to there and there.
Yeah, I remember that, cool,
and start using that range of motion again.
And that's how you will actually improve
your respiratory function
from a respiratory muscle perspective.
So don't get caught
up in all the like, essentially it's like,
it's like functional training with a respiratory rationale.
Like don't let functional training
make a comeback into your routine, right?
I don't want to say you guys
like, you know plugging your nose on a BOSU ball
'cause that's essentially what it is.
So just focus on knowing the anatomy of your trunk muscles,
taking those muscles through full range of motion,
mechanically loading them.
You're gonna get improved respiratory function,
if those are the limiters, by doing that much better
than doing a bunch of low intensity mid-range exercises
with a bunch of mental masturbation.
Patience and persistence is gonna be huge.
VO2 max takes time and consistent training exposure.
It's not something that changes fast, okay?
A lot of times we assume that somebody's VO2
improve really fast because they tolerate the bike
or the treadmill or whatever activity,
their performance improves.
A lot of that comes down to just being less wasteful
at the local level.
We're creating less metabolite
or we're more metabolically efficient.
Maybe we've got some capillary adaptations
where our gas exchange is a little bit better.
But VO2 max does not change relatively fast.
So patience and persistence is important.
Red blood cells live around 120 days.
So nutritional interventions are not gonna work overnight.
So if you've got a bunch of shitty red blood cells
because you haven't been getting enough micronutrients in
or you've been really inflamed or whatever it is,
you can't just start taking a multi and assume
that like tomorrow I'm gonna have good red blood cells.
These things have a long life cycle,
and so there anything with a long life cycle
is also produced relatively slow.
Like the stuff is produced in the bone marrow, okay,
so it's not like your bones
are just like exuding new red blood cells
at like this high rate.
And it's not like you get nutrients
into the bones at a very high rate either.
So patience and persistence is gonna be needed
to improve red blood cell quality and quantity as well.
And because, however,
because aerobic fitness is multifactorial,
small, tiny minuscule improvements
in a variety of these areas will show
large overall performance and recovery improvement.
So somebody may get a lot better at their systemic program.
They may tolerate much higher intensity
or longer intervals on the bike, the treadmill, the sled,
whatever the heck you're using
for your more aerobic conditioning drills.
And that's because they're improving everywhere.
They're improving at the local level.
They're improving at the capillary level.
They're improving at the respiratory muscle level.
They're improving at the heart rate
and the heart range of motion, stroke volume.
All of that stuff is improving simultaneously,
and therefore you may see large improvements here.
But your potential like max improvement for these things
especially for somebody that has goals
that are very specific to aerobic performance
is gonna take months to reach those potentials.
You don't have to go from couch potato to triathlete
before you can start focusing on other goals.
So I think that's an important take home,
is a lot of people will be like, oh man, this person,
you know they're deconditioned and XYZ.
Just realize that you only need adaptations
that are adequate for the next thing that you wanna do.
And so how often is it gonna be
that you're gonna have somebody
that's like super poor cardiovascular,
cardio-respiratory condition,
but for some reason they could then tolerate the nastiest,
most disgusting hypertrophy workout in the world?
It's likely not the case.
They're likely deconditioned everywhere.
So the volume and the stimulus and the intensity
that they need in other things
is also gonna be relatively low as well.
So take a periodized approach.
Try and just improve beyond the last aerobic phase, right,
and then you can do something else.
And then when you come back
and you do something that's more aerobically focused,
just try and improve to a greater level
than where you ended the last one
so that you're taking more of a stair-step approach
to bringing this stuff
up and that you don't pigeonhole your programming
and your periodization to like just this one thing.
'Cause you might be trying to push this
to a performance level that it doesn't need to be
for you to be able to make utilization of periodization,
and work towards other goals that might be more related
to the actual individual's goals
of maybe body composition or muscle gain or whatever.
Right, you don't just take somebody who's like
yeah, I wanted to get in shape
or I wanted to put on muscle or whatever,
and they're like, yeah, but cardiovascular, you suck,
so we're just gonna take like six months
and just turn you into an endurance machine.
And really was like, man, I just wanted to put an inch
on my biceps or I just wanted to like lose like 5% body fat.
And they're like, oh, well, yeah, don't worry about it.
We're just gonna focus on your heart first.
No, you can periodize these things in,
include a certain amount for maintenance,
and then stair-step your approach up.
Don't underestimate the impact of stress.
So almost all stresses will lead
to increased heart rate markers,
whether that be morning heart rate,
whether that be HRV, heart rate recovery.
Stress is gonna impact all of these.
Exercise, the more volume frequency, higher intensities
more impact that you do will kill off red blood cells.
Because basically that change in pressure, you know,
when you're striking, when you're running
or when you're doing that one RM squat
or whatever it may be.
I mean, these are obviously the extreme scenarios,
but red blood cells,
they just simply, they're fragile and they get broken.
And so the more volume you're doing,
the more red blood cell turnover you will have
which will mean you need more of those micronutrients
and stuff as well.
But just always consider that as part of a factor, right?
Inflammation will impact vascular health,
blood pressure as well as RBC quality.
So you can get, like if you have inflammation
of vascular tissue,
you're gonna get more plaquing, more fibrinogen buildup
which is gonna increase rigidity there.
Inflammation affects several things
that can lead to poor quality red blood cell
and hemoglobin production.
Stress impacts posture.
Sore and fatigued muscles can affect respiratory efficiency
as well as posture as well.
So basically your breathing patterns,
stress postures tend to be a little bit more compressive
which means you're not gonna be expanding your rib cage.
Your lung capacity and stuff's gonna go down.
If you're training and your abs are sore
or your back is sore, your lats are sore or whatever,
that can also affect this.
So just take that into account with your program design,
your volume, et cetera,
and also how you're looking at those metrics as well.
Because you could be, say you're using
a spirometer or whatever
and you just have a really beat up core
and you get a low score,
you're like, oh my God, your breathing is screwed.
And I'm like, well, no.
I mean, yes, but not, temporary.
Like in two days when like your abs are less sore,
than maybe then you'll actually see
a super compensation adaptation, improved performance
or at least return to maintenance, hopefully.
So when I look at my experience going back
'cause essentially all of the assessment points
that I'm gonna give you guys here
are gonna be mostly based on my experience.
Obviously I'm taking into account the research
when I look at these things,
but I wanna be transparent with my claims here
that a lot of this stuff,
the correlations and stuff that I've made,
that I've coached and whatnot
is based off of just years and years and years
of tracking this stuff.
Because there's just not a lot of research
out there using this stuff in resistance training
and with PT clients and stuff like we are.
So here's all of my tips.
Look at blood work every three to four months,
no more frequent, at least not for these factors
because it takes a while to change.
So red blood cells, they live three months.
So don't expect to see huge changes in your RBC markers
if you take blood work a month later
or maybe even two months later.
So focus on like, okay, three and four months.
In the interim there,
then you can focus on other things
that maybe will change more rapidly or quickly.
Focus on heart rate
and performance variables in the interim.
Those are the things that are gonna change fast.
They will change over a shorter timeframe
and they're easier to track.
Don't have to send people to a doc,
don't have to give blood and get stabbed, you know.
Plus depending on what they're doing
and how much blood they give or whatever,
then there's I mean, if they take blood out,
you lose red blood cells
which is not ideal for cardiovascular performance
or cardio-respiratory performance, right?
More red blood cells better until we get to the point
where they'd be affecting blood pressure,
but obviously losing blood, not a performance enhancer.
There's a reason that the guys
that cheat in the endurance sports add blood.
They don't get rid of blood before the race.
So obviously if we can decrease the amount of blood
we have to give up to get data, that's a good thing.
Focus on heart rate, performance variables.
Those things are easy to track.
They're consistent, you can trend them, you know,
and you can act on that data quickly.
Blood work, like you give it today,
you don't know today what to do with it.
Your other metrics, like those are things
where you can act on them fairly quickly.
Trended data is gonna be superior
to daily data more often than not.
And that's because there's just so many things
that when it comes to heart rate and whatnot
that can impact that,
that if you're like, oh my heart rate's up two points,
you know, should we train today?
Or my HRV is up a little bit or down a little bit,
like, what does that mean?
Especially when it comes to resistance training,
you wanna look at trends over the course of your program
to get an idea of how that volume is impacting somebody,
how your progressions are working,
and when it's time to ditch out of that stimulus.
So look at trends more than trying to make decisions
on the daily based off of that morning's readings,
if you will.
Acute daily data may be valuable
for enforcing lifestyle interventions
and supporting correlations
between good outcomes and bad outcomes.
So somebody doesn't get enough sleep,
they're likely gonna have a higher morning heart rate.
So that can be used to reinforce getting adequate sleep.
If somebody eats like shit,
they behave like an asshole over the weekend
or whatever it may be,
that's gonna affect these acute variables.
So while they may not be the best things
to make training decisions all the time,
they could be used as a way of enforcing compliance
with certain lifestyle interventions
and behaviors that you're trying to get a person to do,
whether that be, you know, taking their supplements,
following their diet, et cetera, et cetera.
Don't forget the first module.
So if you guys remember back the first module
talking all about like the psychology of the assessment.
So don't create more stress in the effort to assess.
So with this process, what you wanna do,
especially if you're focusing on trends
is you just wanna make it as manageable as possible.
This is where some things like HRV may be counterproductive
especially if a person has, we'll say, a certain amount
of knowledge or a perception
of what those numbers may be.
So if you can, find a way
to consolidate the collection process.
Like if somebody is getting up,
if they can check their heart rate, their HRV, you know,
and do multiple things at the same time
or through the same app, et cetera,
that's gonna be very valuable.
If you can get multiple pieces of data
from the same thing, that's awesome.
I mean, it just, it saves a lot of time,
puts it all in one place, et cetera.
So that may be, especially if you're using trending data,
rather than having somebody export their data
from their Fitbit or whatever on a daily,
maybe they just do it
like one day a week or something like that,
and then you look at the trend data.
That may be more feasible
especially 'cause you're more concerned
about looking at trends than you are looking at
the daily acute things, right?
Here's kind of the trends that I see
with heart rate variables.
Okay, when somebody is under emotional stress,
both blood pressure and heart rate markers will go up.
If your deficit is too excessive,
you'll usually see heart rate markers go up
but not really have much of a effect on blood pressure.
But it may result in blood pressure going down over time
if you're chronically underfeeding somebody.
And that's because they literally,
their blood volume is likely gonna go down.
Excessive inflammation likely causes
both blood pressure and heart rate markers to go up.
Excessive volume and training
tends to only affect the heart rate markers,
not so much the blood pressure unless, go back up,
it's also causing excessive inflammation.
All right, but what if you had excessive inflammation
and an excessive deficit?
You know, you're overtraining and starving somebody.
That could be an instance
where the blood pressure stays the same
because the lack of food
but the heart rate is gonna go up.
So you have to kind of look at all of these things together.
Poor sleep, heart rate markers go up,
and blood pressure does if it's chronic.
And that usually is because if you have
a chronic sleep issue,
you're likely gonna have inflammatory issue
and, you know dysregulated ANS as well.
If it's the wrong stimulus or it's time to change,
heart rate markers will quickly go off trend.
Right, so instead of like what you should see is
if you're progressively pushing somebody
a little bit further through a program
is that you see these things slowly trending
into the direction of like, you know,
we're leaving use stress and going towards distress.
If your stimulus is wrong or it's time to change,
what you'll see is you will see usually a quick jump
from a use stress trend to a distress trend, right?
So you'll see a big drastic jump over a short time
rather than a gradual slow, slow trend, right?
So I mean, depending on what the stimulus is,
you may not expect any of these things to get worse
or you may expect them to improve,
but in certain stimuli you are going to expect them
to get a little bit worse
because you may not be stimulating
positive adaptations for this.
The thing that you're focusing
on is very far away from these adaptations.
So you're obviously gonna regress in these a little bit.
But when you see they jump really far
into the stress direction, that's when it's like, okay,
either something acutely happened
or we've kind of hit that critical threshold
where now it is time.
Because what'll happen is
you kind of gotta think of it as is
that like, if we're doing a program
that doesn't really focus on aerobic fitness,
and we're increasing the stress
that we're putting on the body over time
as we are not focusing on aerobic conditioning,
our adaptations on the aerobic side are going down
and our demand is going up.
And what'll happen is it'll seem like,
oh, everything's moving, everything's moving.
Well, I should say it this way.
So you got one on the other side.
So you got lack of aerobic adaptations
and then increasing in stress.
And it'll seem like things are going
smoothly, smoothly, smoothly.
But once they kind of converge onto a point
where the maladaptations
and aerobic stress and the increased demand of recovery
because you're increasing volume,
progressive overloading et cetera,
once they converge, all of a sudden you will see
a sudden shift in the markers, right?
Because you've reached that threshold
where now this is now a limiter for recovery
on top of the fact that you've been progressing
and pushing other things.
And then you will see a big shift.
Acute data is not very helpful
for non-aerobic-based programs, like I said.
So if you're focusing more on systemic stuff,
that's gonna be the one where maybe daily measures,
HRV, things like that might be more valuable
looking at short-term trends.
But otherwise, we're focusing
on long-term trends for the most thing.
HRV stuff, it doesn't tell you where to look
but just that you should look.
The recovery of the HRV may be more valuable
than the drops in HRV.
So obviously if you're pushing somebody
over the course of the week, you might drive their HRV down.
But then they get their one or two days off.
Does it super compensate?
Does it go back up higher
or at least back up to where it was?
That may be more important data.
And that's why we look at trends
because your trends are gonna average all of that stuff out.
If you were looking at using HRV,
ideally it would be so much better
if it was collected blind.
We will eventually have a way hopefully of doing that.
But it's a way off, toward the end of the year.
Hopefully we will be able to actually have
some of the assessment stuff built
into the N1 training infrastructure in our app.
But right now there really, there isn't an option.
But what you need to do is try and get people to collect it
as close to the mindset as if it were blind as possible.
A few other caveats on HRV is the position
that you measure HRV matters,
so whether it's lying, sitting, standing, et cetera.
And for people that are actually in fairly good shape,
lying can actually hide the data, lying like lying down.
But lying and just being a liar also, but lying down
can like hide changes in the HRV
because lying down tends to promote
parasympathetic tone or vagal tone.
So when we look at collecting,
probably seated is gonna be your most important thing.
And you wanna be consistent.
You wanna look at okay, same time.
So morning is ideal for this
just like the morning heart rate.
So if I was using HRV, I would collect,
you know, get my heart rate and my HRV data
first thing in the morning.
You know, let people get up, go to the restroom,
then sit on the bed, do this measurement,
and then go about their day.
You wanna make sure that people
don't actually start anything.
Like you don't wanna let their mind go
on to anything that they have to do that day or whatever
before they start collecting this data.
So it really does need to be the first thing
other than emptying your bladder in the morning.
The other thing is if you get more than a 10-point change,
you should probably like remeasure or consider
whether or not that was an accurate data point for that day.
When it comes to heart rate,
I kind of use a similar thing with that as well,
where basically if the morning heart rate changes
more than four to five beats per minute,
then I'll be like, okay,
likely there's gonna be an acute thing
of like sleep or something like that.
Or, you know, we need to retest that as well.
That is that.
And now we will move on to the questions.
All right,
so Lucas asked,
"What do I do in cases
"of very low blood pressure?"
Well, the first thing I would do is I would address
all of these simple portions of the nutritional thing.
Make sure we're getting adequate protein,
micronutrients et cetera.
That's number one.
So in those cases, that's usually the case.
So it's like, why do we likely have low blood volume
in that person, right?
Now it could be that, you know,
a person is very conditioned.
So if it's low blood pressure
and it's because they're very healthy, that's different.
But likely, so Lucas, your second question is
"What could cause low blood pressure?"
And usually that's gonna be the thing
is it's usually gonna be low blood pressure
or I mean low blood volume
is gonna be the main thing in those cases.
I mean, a weak heart
could be part of that as well.
So, but usually it's low blood volume.
Curtis, "I was diagnosed with an extremely severe case
"of sleep apnea, stopped breathing 71 times per hour,
"and oxygen levels dropped to below 80%,
"told I would suffer from this for the rest of my life.
"Several years later, here I am with no sleep apnea."
Awesome, Curtis.
Yeah, and you don't have to sleep like Darth Vader.
I don't know what you did to do that,
but I mean congratulations, awesome for you.
I mean, I've had several people that, you know, were told
that they had sleep apnea,
were gonna need surgery, et cetera, whatever.
But you know, through a combination of lifestyle factors,
improving body function, weight loss, et cetera,
they no longer had the sleep apnea.
Do I "know Joel Jamieson from '8 Weeks Out'?
"If so, do you like his approach on cardio methods,
"periodization, or do you recommend another source?"
Some of that stuff is good,
but honestly, if you're looking
for that source of information,
I would recommend Evan Peikon.
He is the guy that we consult
with on our Moxy work and stuff like that.
He's got a few online courses himself as well, I think,
and tons of podcasts or whatever.
But I would say absorb Evan Peikon's free material,
especially when it comes to energy system stuff.
Eventually we will have
maybe him on N1 with our own version of his courses.
But I would look at that first
because I think it's a better,
it's definitely a more correct,
yeah, more correct. is the way to say it
in terms of how the energy systems actually function.
Joel's stuff, while some of the application stuff
may be good, a lot of the mechanistic stuff is off,
and therefore you could make better training protocols
and better training decisions
if you really understood the mechanisms a little bit better.
The energy system thing is definitely something
that is being rewritten.
I mean, we kind of started that back with the course two
program design stuff looking at that aspect of it.
And then Evan's done a lot of work
with the Moxy data and stuff to kind of validate
exactly what we're focusing on.
Louis asked, "If you were training
"very little-trained businessmen to perform better,
"more energy and focus at work,
"would this be what you'd mainly try to improve?
"Big big question, sorry."
Well, I mean, to a point everybody benefits
from having improved cardiovascular
and cardio-respiratory function
to the point that like, that it's not having
any negative consequences on our recovery
and our ability to regulate our autonomic nervous system.
So basically that's the extent that you need to get it
for somebody to have an overall improvement in wellbeing.
But you don't need to take it to the level
of them being like endurance athlete level performance,
because eventually for what they're doing,
they won't continue to have better quality of life
or workouts or et cetera
by continuing to push that way.
In fact, if you continue focusing on pure endurance stuff,
you'll likely have a negative hormone outcome
at a certain point.
So the answer is, yes, you need to bring those guys
up to a certain threshold to improve their energy levels,
their energy, their focus, et cetera.
But there's a point of diminishing returns there.
And then that's where actually just like focusing
on getting them, you know jacked and tan
will actually be a better approach there,
and then maintaining those aerobic fitness levels.
Curtis asks, "When watching trends,
"if the trend is consistently high
"like for months at a time,
"would that just be individual to that person,
"or could something be going on?"
Sorry, the chat was moving around.
I mean, if it's high, you have the norms,
but I don't, you guys know me, I don't like using norms.
I like to N1 up everything.
So obviously trending in the right direction
is what we're going for.
But I wouldn't just say that like, well, somebody is,
if their trend is not moving,
if their trend is staying the same,
I wouldn't just assume like, well, this just must be them.
I might be like, well,
what are the possible reasons that could be?
And I would try and troubleshoot that the best that I could,
because not everybody is going to adapt at the same rate.
And some cases are gonna be harder than others.
"When in any form of training
"do you want to breathe through your nose?"
So basically, you know,
pretty much most lower threshold training,
nasal breathing is gonna be optimal.
Mike T. Nelson, who I like his stuff,
Mike's a very hard guy to listen to.
His stuff is kind of monotone and he speaks slow.
So I listen to him like fast, but he's a smart guy.
And he actually just put out a podcast on that exact topic,
reviewing the research.
So if you want more information
than I'm gonna give you here, I would just listen to that.
But essentially this is where improving your nasal breathing
like activity threshold comes in
is the better you are at breathing
in terms of from a respiratory muscular perspective,
and the less congested you are,
the higher level of activity you can have
breathing through your nose
which does seem to have some performance benefits.
Now, that being said, as soon as you reach the threshold
where that is the limiter,
it would (indistinct) performance and recovery
at that point in time.
So basically you wanna breathe through your nose
until you need to breathe through your mouth.
That's the best I can tell you, you know,
because it's gonna be different for each person
based off of the variety of those factors.
And if that seems to be a fairly low threshold,
then you could actually work on all of these things
to try and bring that threshold up.
I mean, if you notice that somebody happens to be, you know,
mouth breathing at relatively low activities,
like, you know, just walking on a treadmill
or a fairly low heart rate activity,
then that's probably something worth investigating.
You just don't know where it is.
And so trying to force people to breathe through their nose
when they don't have the capacity to do it
is gonna kill your performance.
So you need to allow, like in your resistance training,
you need to allow people to breathe.
They need to do whatever they need to do to perform.
And then you would address that issue separately
if you wanted to try and increase the threshold
from which they would need to go
from nasal breathing to mouth breathing.
And then there's the intermission of that,
where it's it's like in through the nose,
out through the mouth, which, you know, you can use
as a transition for moderate activities and stuff
if you really wanna focus on that.
What is my opinion on infrared light
in relationship to cardio?
Honestly, in terms of its specific relationship to cardio,
I do not know.
I mean, I have an infrared light.
I use it more for the local effects
on mitochondria and stuff like that and circadian rhythm.
But I think,
honestly I would have (indistinct)
terms of (indistinct) directly.
Indirectly, if we're improving local efficiency,
then it would decrease the cardio burden.
I don't know if there's a mechanism beyond that.
I mean, better circadian rhythm
and stuff like that should also.
So I don't know if there's a direct relationship to cardio.
If there is, I'm just not educated in it at this time.
Curtis said "You disagree with mouth taping, correct?"
Yeah, so the goal is in terms of improving nasal breathing,
the goal is to improve somebody's ability to breathe
through their nose, not force them to breathe
through a restricted airway by blocking the mouth.
You would be better off using things
that help you open the nasal pathway.
So first off, like focus on removing congestion.
And then you can start looking at maybe things
that actually open up the nasal passages a little bit.
Then make a variety of those things,
everything from the tape to things that you'd like put
up in there and then expand that.
'Cause essentially what you wanna do is you
want that to be the option that your body goes
with versus like kind of taping the mouth shut.
Like consciously holding your mouth closed while breathing
allows you to then be the regulator of that
during activity and stuff like that.
So you shouldn't need to
do a mouth taping on an exercise.
I mean, really at that point in time, it would be...
like in a research setting
you're gonna see them use that
because, you know you can't be like,
mm, researcher looks away, you're like (mouth inhaling)
mm (mouth inhaling), you know?
I mean, you got to eliminate that.
So in terms of a research perspective,
then they're gonna use some sort of obstruction device
on the mouth or the nose,
depending on what they happened to be looking at.
In a realistic training thing, I would be like, yeah, no.
We're not gonna tape your mouth
to work on walking and breathing in through your nose.
I just want you to consciously breathe through your nose
while we do the mouth taping.
I mean, are you gonna.. in somebody
that doesn't have much of a restriction,
maybe that could be part of it.
But the thing is, is that when it comes to nasal breathing,
it's not about just the lips being closed.
It's about the posture of the tongue and the jaw
and all of that stuff that actually is gonna be the thing
that affects this when our mouths aren't taped.
And that's why I think that using the tape
is not the best approach.
Same thing for during sleeping.
Like so the thing is, if you look at the things
that like the chin straps
or things that move the tongue, I would use those.
Well, first I would focus on anything I can do
to open up the nasal passages first.
Then lastly, I would look at things that work on the mouth.
And I wouldn't do... so basically I would look
at using an overnight O2 thing.
Like I have that ring one that I've showed you guys.
And it even like vibrates or whatever.
So I would have that on if I was gonna start doing anything
that would be restrictive of the mouth breathing at night,
'cause what you wanna make sure is
that you're not actually making things worse
by creating that obstruction.
So that would be the thing is,
'cause you need to know whether or not it actually...
'cause it could, if somebody has trouble
breathing through their nose,
taping their mouth or using the chin thing,
that would make it worse, right?
So women love the chin strap.
Yeah, well, the guys will love it too
if you guys both wear them, you know.
I mean, nothing improves the relationship
like both people having their mouth closed.
Anyway, that looks like the last question.
That's a good place to end it there.
So thank you, guys, for joining me,
and I will see you next week.
(banner pulses)